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the most supply side oriented tax of all is the tax on risk and wealth, namely capital gains tax, risk wealth high risk stock investment. every time the capital gains tax rate is cut, revenues soar as they did under bill clinton. in fact, president obama was asked this in a tv interview during the campaign and he said i know that's what the numbers show but i still want to raise the top rates. if ever there's a supply side tax rates where lower rates produce higher rates it's capital gains. >> that's right. people start taking gains and hold on to what they have. that means capital is not put to work. in the early 1990s the economy was starting to get a real head of steam. not enough to save george h.w. bush but that slowed in '93 and '94. when republicans came in, cut spending, killed hilary care and alan greenspan had a sensible monetary policy, the economy started to recover and then clinton got the religion, he cut capital gains. >> steve is giving your man all these kudos and you're not taking them. >> two things first, larry, didn't president reagan raise the capital gains tax ra
the most supply side oriented tax of all is the tax on risk and wealth, namely capital gains tax, risk wealth high risk stock investment. every time the capital gains tax rate is cut, revenues soar as they did under bill clinton. in fact, president obama was asked this in a tv interview during the campaign and he said i know that's what the numbers show but i still want to raise the top rates. if ever there's a supply side tax rates where lower rates produce higher rates it's capital gains....
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tax breaks, right? democrats are fighting hard to preserve the tax deduction for state and local taxes, that costs the federal budget more than $80 billion a year. why? because 7 of 8 states where taxpayers use the deductions that much are blue or democratic. new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, all blue with the highest state local -- state and local taxes taken out there and property taxes. the tax deductions on them benefit higher income taxpayers in states that consistently deliver for the democrats. i get the politics of this but democrats need to own up. they can't have their cake and eat it, too. in the end, we are all going to pay more or we are going to get less. if we're serious about the fiscal house in order. if demonstrates are serious about republicans to break with ideology and their party base, to vote for higher tax rates, democrats have to be willing to do the same and break with their base. both sides can go back to the politics after they get in right. quit scrapping. get the work don
tax breaks, right? democrats are fighting hard to preserve the tax deduction for state and local taxes, that costs the federal budget more than $80 billion a year. why? because 7 of 8 states where taxpayers use the deductions that much are blue or democratic. new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, all blue with the highest state local -- state and local taxes taken out there and property taxes. the tax deductions on them benefit higher income taxpayers in states that consistently deliver for the...
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you combine, say, about $250 billion in spending and tax cuts. that will probably cut gdp with the usual multiplier efforts of two percentage points. that's enough to raisen employment by a couple of percentage points. it's serious business. >> ali, what do you think? >> yeah. well, look, i think peter is right. the spending cuts that would be imposed by the fiscal cliff would be devastating. it would send unemployment higher. it would cost jobs. the republicans, as peter says, are going to insist on some cuts anyway, so bottom line is we are going to see a weaker economy into the beginning of next year. probably one way or the other. now, the counter to that, peter, is that there are forces in the economy that are strengthening it. this energy boom that we've got, the natural gas, the amount of fracturing that we're doing, the fact that housing has been doing tremendously well, and interest rates remain very low with prices, so there's some sense that there's a bit of a renaissance on the horizon, and if the government doesn't mess that up too m
you combine, say, about $250 billion in spending and tax cuts. that will probably cut gdp with the usual multiplier efforts of two percentage points. that's enough to raisen employment by a couple of percentage points. it's serious business. >> ali, what do you think? >> yeah. well, look, i think peter is right. the spending cuts that would be imposed by the fiscal cliff would be devastating. it would send unemployment higher. it would cost jobs. the republicans, as peter says, are...
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by the end of the year everything will be regulated and taxed very heavily here. 25% tax. proponents say they will raise a half billion dollars. $500 million a year from the sale of marijuana and marijuana products in washington state once this gets going. >> while many there are celebrating, colorado isn't ready to spark up just yet. voters cast votes to legalize marijuana as well but it won't officially be legal for another month. jim spelman is in denver, colorado. what's the holdup? >> reporter: the governor has to cross ts and dot is to make this official. like in washington state, there's uncertainty about what the federal government is going to do before we can really have fully implemented legalized marijuana here. take a look. on election day colorado voted to legalize marijuana and by early january the governor will make it official. but don't expect the streets of denver to look like this. smoking pot in public will remain illegal but behind closed doors the times are a changing. >> adults 21 and over can possess small amounts of marijuana and grow small amounts
by the end of the year everything will be regulated and taxed very heavily here. 25% tax. proponents say they will raise a half billion dollars. $500 million a year from the sale of marijuana and marijuana products in washington state once this gets going. >> while many there are celebrating, colorado isn't ready to spark up just yet. voters cast votes to legalize marijuana as well but it won't officially be legal for another month. jim spelman is in denver, colorado. what's the holdup?...
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on top of that, there's a 5% tax on the portion of very large tax estates. the tax policy tenners estimates the number will jump from 2600 in 2012 to 53,000 in 2013. that's a huge increase from where we stand right now. as you know, some people call this double taxation, because people pay income tax on their earnings, they save it, and then the money gets taxed when they pass it on to their decendents. >> a lot of farmers are respecially concerned about this. let's say you leave land to your children or grandchildren. and to pay the estate tax, you have to sell it, basically, because you don't have that kind of money. >> this is a philosophical difference on the sides. congress does nothing. and those estate taxes revert to the levels they were before george w. bush was in office. those taxes were lowered to help us get through a couple recessions. this is unfair. people should be entitled to pass along their hard earned money. the concentration of wealth needs to be kept in check. it doesn't create dynastys. that was one of the earliest goals of this tax.
on top of that, there's a 5% tax on the portion of very large tax estates. the tax policy tenners estimates the number will jump from 2600 in 2012 to 53,000 in 2013. that's a huge increase from where we stand right now. as you know, some people call this double taxation, because people pay income tax on their earnings, they save it, and then the money gets taxed when they pass it on to their decendents. >> a lot of farmers are respecially concerned about this. let's say you leave land to...
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our conversation in washington we talk about it being a tax event and only tax event. but the impact on unemployed people will be dramatic. the impact on those americans who don't pay a lot of income tax but benefitting from the extra two points of payroll relief, may not be dramatic but noticeable. this country could go into a recession. what's going on in this discussion is richard nixon's old madman theory, each side trying to persuade the other that it's just crazy enough to blow up the world. >> erick, quickly, you say it's better to go over the cliff than accept what the president's offered? >> yeah. i absolutely think so. the republicans unfortunately for people like me are willing to raise taxes to the tune of $800 billion. the democrats want to argue with them over the mechanism. and it's the mechanism that would hurt small businesses. the republican negotiating hand winds up being a little better on the other side. the fiscal cliff is the maximum of what ghkts want. you've got howard dean saying we need to raise taxes on everybody, not just the rich. steny ho
our conversation in washington we talk about it being a tax event and only tax event. but the impact on unemployed people will be dramatic. the impact on those americans who don't pay a lot of income tax but benefitting from the extra two points of payroll relief, may not be dramatic but noticeable. this country could go into a recession. what's going on in this discussion is richard nixon's old madman theory, each side trying to persuade the other that it's just crazy enough to blow up the...
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democrats only want to raise taxes on the top 2% and extend the bush tax cuts for everyone else. what they might agree on, cutting deductions. the middle class' most cherished tax break could be in the crosshairs of the fiscal cliff negotiations. we're talking about the mortgage interest deduction. it's been around for 99 years, but it's costing the government $80 billion this year and will reach $100 billion by 2014 making it the third largest tax expenditure according to the congressional research service. who is it really helping in the most recent irs tax data show 41 million people claim this deduction on their 2010 taxes, but the tax policy center points out it tends to benefit upper middle class families the most. for those with annual incomes of less than $40,000 a year, the average tax savings is just 91 bucks. for the people earning $250,000 a year, the annual tax savings runs about $5,500, and critics say it's not really helping to boost homeownership. going to talk to one of them in a moment. the homeownership rate in the u.s. is now about 65%. it was up near 70% duri
democrats only want to raise taxes on the top 2% and extend the bush tax cuts for everyone else. what they might agree on, cutting deductions. the middle class' most cherished tax break could be in the crosshairs of the fiscal cliff negotiations. we're talking about the mortgage interest deduction. it's been around for 99 years, but it's costing the government $80 billion this year and will reach $100 billion by 2014 making it the third largest tax expenditure according to the congressional...
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in a way by getting rid of tax loopholes which they feel rather than raise the tax rates will have less of a negative impact on the economy. at the end i think there will be a little bit of movement on their side possibly raising the dollar income level that we have for that and making so it's a combination of increases as well as loopholes, but, frankly, the president's policy of just trying to punish the rich is what he seems to be interested in is also counterproductive, frankly. >> i saw jason johnson shaking his head no. >> this is not true. they haven't specified what any of these taxes are. they're trying to sell people a bridge and you don't even know where the bridge is going. that's one of the reasons the white house rejected the plan but here is the other reason why the republicans are eventually just going to go along and raise taxes and deal. the most important number in this whole debate is 56. 56% of the public according to a recent poll will blame the republican party in congress if this deal does not get done. they do not need another public relations hit after being sh
in a way by getting rid of tax loopholes which they feel rather than raise the tax rates will have less of a negative impact on the economy. at the end i think there will be a little bit of movement on their side possibly raising the dollar income level that we have for that and making so it's a combination of increases as well as loopholes, but, frankly, the president's policy of just trying to punish the rich is what he seems to be interested in is also counterproductive, frankly. >> i...
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we don't like to tax two or three times, which dividends or other taxes might be taxed. so too small. and there is a principle involved. >> steven ratner, is there a principle, or just bloody mindedness by republicans, led by grover norquist, we shall not pay anymore taxes ever? >> at some point, there are too many taxes, but we're a long away from that. let's just look at earned taxes, lower than they were under president clinton put in place ten years ago. and all president obama is saying let's go from 35% to the top earners, to 39.6%, same as it was under president clinton, the economy did well. it is more than just a drop in the bucket. just raising rates on people making over 250,000, would be a trillion deficit -- >> a trillion dollars, henry, is nothing to be sniffed at. some urged the party to extend the bush-era tax cuts, for the households that earn less than $250,000, to insure the taxes don't go up. who cares anyway? >> sure, there is a point in there. i might dispute the numbers. i would argue as the members of my party, i would argue that we have a spendin
we don't like to tax two or three times, which dividends or other taxes might be taxed. so too small. and there is a principle involved. >> steven ratner, is there a principle, or just bloody mindedness by republicans, led by grover norquist, we shall not pay anymore taxes ever? >> at some point, there are too many taxes, but we're a long away from that. let's just look at earned taxes, lower than they were under president clinton put in place ten years ago. and all president obama...
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i'm fine with this $250,000 a year family not getting a tax cut and letting that expire, that tax cut for those wealthier 2% to expire. there are a couple people who have come out with that. mary bono mack has said that doesn't sound too bad. also robert dole who said that. what about you? >> yeah, no, i don't support that. and tom is a great political strategist and what he was saying is, hey, look, we know there will be a revenue increase. if we can get that, big deal. and so let's just go ahead and take it off the table, you know, let's take that leverage away from the president there, but the reality is as a republican who my very core principles are lower taxes, limited government, to just take a solo tax -- or vote on a tax increase with not having everything else there to kind of, you know, give us the sugar to make the medicine go down. that's just not going to fly. most of us aren't going to support that. but i could certainly understand tom's political strategy of trying to take it off the table, then the president may get serious about dealing with all of the other financia
i'm fine with this $250,000 a year family not getting a tax cut and letting that expire, that tax cut for those wealthier 2% to expire. there are a couple people who have come out with that. mary bono mack has said that doesn't sound too bad. also robert dole who said that. what about you? >> yeah, no, i don't support that. and tom is a great political strategist and what he was saying is, hey, look, we know there will be a revenue increase. if we can get that, big deal. and so let's just...
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that's not a mandate to raise taxes. it's a mandate to work together. >> mandate to work together which means they may not go on their break which is expected. i heard the speaker tell you that he's going to tell you as well. quickly, dana, he's going to stay regardless of whether they go on break, right? >> reporter: right. and the question was the house of representatives is going to finish their work this week in about 45 minutes and it's only wednesday. >> right. >> reporter: they are going to go home. they are not going to be in session on thursday or friday. i asked the speaker whether that is got optics for the house to leave town while the fiscal cliff is so close in front of us and that is the answer, that he will be in town, ready, willing, and able to talk to the president at any time. so that was really the issue. the house republican leadership, i tell you, they say they simply don't have any legislation to put on the floor. that's why they are play sending their members home. they are hoping to get the mess
that's not a mandate to raise taxes. it's a mandate to work together. >> mandate to work together which means they may not go on their break which is expected. i heard the speaker tell you that he's going to tell you as well. quickly, dana, he's going to stay regardless of whether they go on break, right? >> reporter: right. and the question was the house of representatives is going to finish their work this week in about 45 minutes and it's only wednesday. >> right. >>...
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setting up a process for entitlement reform next year, and tax reform next year. but this was way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we have. [ inaudible question ] going over the fiscal cliff, you called serious business, extending the lower tax rates -- [ inaudible question ] >> i'm going to do everything i can to avoid putting the american economy, the american people through the fiasco of going over the fiscal cliff. >> which is worse for the economy? [ inaudible question ] could you include a debt limit that is in the overall package? >> as i told the president a couple weeks ago, there's a lot of things i've wanted in my life, but almost all of them had a price tag attached to them. and if we're going to talk about the debt limit in this, then we're -- there's going to be some price tag associated with it. >> last question. >> are you standing by your dollar for dollar -- the increase in the debt limit for cuts? >> are i continue to believe that any increase in the debt limit has to be
setting up a process for entitlement reform next year, and tax reform next year. but this was way out of balance. and not a recognition on the part of the white house about the serious spending problem that we have. [ inaudible question ] going over the fiscal cliff, you called serious business, extending the lower tax rates -- [ inaudible question ] >> i'm going to do everything i can to avoid putting the american economy, the american people through the fiasco of going over the fiscal...
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if they do nothing, everyone's taxes go up and automatic spending cuts take effect. still, it appears congress and the president are digging in with no deal in sight. >> if they are going to force hi higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's a choice they're going to have to make. >> this isn't an issue about democrats or republicans. my goodness, this is about our country. >> well, one thing both sides agree on is the government needs to raise more money. how much? how they do it? those are two of the many sticking points and the clock is ticking. >>> a series of suicide car bombings leave five people dead in eastern afghanistan today. inis yo no reports of any u.s. casualties. the taliban has claimed responsibility for the attacks. >>> and in wyoming a college teacher may have saved the lives of several of his students. authorities are praising the instructor's actions. he tackled a man who barged into the classroom, shooting the instructor in the head with a hunting bow. more startling,
if they do nothing, everyone's taxes go up and automatic spending cuts take effect. still, it appears congress and the president are digging in with no deal in sight. >> if they are going to force hi higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's a choice they're going to have to make. >> this isn't an issue about democrats or republicans. my goodness, this is about our country. >> well, one thing both...
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over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. [ man ] in hong kong, on my way to the board meeting... anne's tablet called my phone. anne's tablet was chatting with a tablet in sydney... a desktop in zurich... and a telepresence room in brazil. the secure cloud helped us get some numbers from my assistant's pc in new york. and before i reached the top, the board meeting became a congrats we sold the company party. wait til my wife's phone hears about this. [ cellphone vibrating ] [ female announcer ] with cisco at the center, working together has never worked so well. i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get
over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. [ man ] in hong kong, on my...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s and dot our "i"s, we still run into problems -- mainly other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with accident forgiveness if you qualify, where your rates won't go up due to your first accident, and new car replacement, where if you total your new car, we give you the money for a new one. call... to talk to an insurance expert about everything else that comes standard with our base auto policy. [ tires squeal ] and if you get into an accident and use one of our certified repair shops, your repairs are guaranteed for life. call... to switch, and you could save hund
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. [ "the odd couple" theme playing ] humans. even when we cross our "t"s...
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over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. our operations are safe and clean for our communities and the environment. we're america's natural gas. but don't just listen to me. listen to these happy progressive customers. i plugged in snapshot, and 30 days later, i was saving big on car insurance. with snapshot, i knew what i could save before i switched to progressive. the better i drive, the more i save. i wish our company had something this cool. you're not filming this, are you? aw! camera shy. snapshot from progressive. test-drive snapshot before you switch. visit progressive.com today. anne's tablet called my phone. anne's tablet was chatting with a tablet in sydney.
over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. our operations are safe and...
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avoiding it -- if they do nothing, everyone's taxes go up and automatic spending cuts will take effect. no imminent deal is in sight. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans, because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's a choice we're going to have to make. >> i would say we're nowhere. period. we're nowhere. we have put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. they have actually asked for more revenue than they have been asking for the whole entire time. >> in other words not quite a good place to be, but both sides agree that the government needs to raise more money. how much and how they do it are two of the major sticking points. >>> and protests and a constitutional crisis, what is next for egypt. we'll dig deeper into the struggle for power between conservative islamists and liberal secularists. and later, brad pitt talks about his future with angelina jolie. >>> and a dog reunited with his owner after s
avoiding it -- if they do nothing, everyone's taxes go up and automatic spending cuts will take effect. no imminent deal is in sight. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans, because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's a choice we're going to have to make. >> i would say we're nowhere. period. we're nowhere. we have put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved....
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over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. this december, remember -- m] you can stay in and share something... ♪ ♪ ...or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan, you can get copays as low as a dollar through a preferred network pharmacy like walgreens -- where you'll find 8,000 convenient locations. best of all, this plan has the lowest part d premium in the united states -- only $15 a m
over the next decade and tax reform rather than tax increases, so the republican mandate in the house was a lot clearer than obama's, who spent 86% of the pro-obama ads were trashing romney personally. so he won the right not to be romney but he didn't win the power to impose anything he wants. >> okay. hold that thought. robert, i want you to hold your response until we come back after the break. you've got about two minutes to make this really, really good. this december, remember -- m]...
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said, look, instead of raising the tax rates why don't we close loopholes in the tax system, make the tax system more efficient and stop picking winners and losers. i think that's the latest offer the republicans have put on the table. they're not opposed to a tax increase. they're basically saying let's do it the right way in a way that doesn't hurt the economy. >> yeah, but stephen, you could close every loophole that's out there and that wouldn't make up for our deficit. >> no, but the president's plan of raising taxes on the rich, let's assume even he has his way. let's assume republicans go along with his plan. that at best raises about $70 billion a year. that leaves us with a trillion dollar deficit. this puts the president i think in a little bit of a hole. if the republicans give his way, what's plan "b"? what do we do next to deal with the deficit? the president and tim geithner basically this weekend said we've got plans to cut entitlements by 400 bill or ion 500 billion dollars. that's over ten years. we have a much bigger hole than i think anyone in washington is willing
said, look, instead of raising the tax rates why don't we close loopholes in the tax system, make the tax system more efficient and stop picking winners and losers. i think that's the latest offer the republicans have put on the table. they're not opposed to a tax increase. they're basically saying let's do it the right way in a way that doesn't hurt the economy. >> yeah, but stephen, you could close every loophole that's out there and that wouldn't make up for our deficit. >> no,...
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no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> well, move over cheetos, the new snack for the vending machine, ckavycavier, and you probably guessed it will take a little more than 75 cents to get this treat. prices range from $12, okay, possibly reasonable, to $500, a little less so. >>> well, bankruptcy judge has officially given hostess the go ahead to pay out bonuses to its senior executive. the company is liquidating almost 20,000 people losing their jobs. the executives are getting bonuses. how does that -- i'm not good at math, but how does that work? >> it doesn't quite seem fair, does it? but that's exactly what one new york court has sort of ruled on and the bonuses range from about $7,500 to $130,000 and it's only
no, it's worse -- look, our taxes are about to go up. not the taxes on our dividends though, right? that's a big part of our retirement. oh, no, it's dividends, too. the rate on our dividends would more than double. but we depend on our dividends to help pay our bills. we worked hard to save. well, the president and congress have got to work together to stop this dividend tax hike. before it's too late. >>> well, move over cheetos, the new snack for the vending machine, ckavycavier,...
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of course, the white house, the president wants to raise it on tax ritz. the republicans say no way. >> is there any concern among republicans because we know they're not all kind of lining in lock step on what to do here. this doesn't look good, the optics of it all, them leaving and going home. a lot of people look at this that and go really, you're not going to try, stick around, get more work done here? are they worried it can backfire? >> i actually asked the speaker that very question. he said, look, i'm here. i'm going to be here. i'm going to be waiting for the president to respond. certainly there is some concern, but as one republican told our deirdre washington a short while ago, look, it is what it is. it is the reality. the reality is there is a lot of waiting going on. on both sides, but particularly right now when it comes to republicans. one of the sort of subplots we've been talking about here, suzanne, you and i talk abouted it about it yesterday is the conservative backlash missed the republican party against the speaker for this counter
of course, the white house, the president wants to raise it on tax ritz. the republicans say no way. >> is there any concern among republicans because we know they're not all kind of lining in lock step on what to do here. this doesn't look good, the optics of it all, them leaving and going home. a lot of people look at this that and go really, you're not going to try, stick around, get more work done here? are they worried it can backfire? >> i actually asked the speaker that very...
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cuts will expire so the tax cuts -- the taxes are going to go up on everybody, right? the fiscal cliff, you go over the cliff, the taxes go up for every single person. is the plan then if you do a deal for taxes on the middle class, then de facto the taxes go up on the wealthy and sort of have a win/win for the democrats? is that the scenario we're looking at now? >> well, the scenario is that we still have time to put a deal together. the president has a detailed proposal on the table. republicans need to decide where they want to move. john boehner needs to decide how he will get his caucus together. they're becoming increasingly isolated in their position. hopefully we can have a deal which protects the middle class. there is a piece of legislation sitting in the house today that would prevent taxes from going up on 98% of the american people. 97% of small businesses. they should go ahead and move that. and then we can have a broader discussion of how we achieve larger deficit reduction and avoid the fiscal cliff. but there's plenty of room and plenty of time for co
cuts will expire so the tax cuts -- the taxes are going to go up on everybody, right? the fiscal cliff, you go over the cliff, the taxes go up for every single person. is the plan then if you do a deal for taxes on the middle class, then de facto the taxes go up on the wealthy and sort of have a win/win for the democrats? is that the scenario we're looking at now? >> well, the scenario is that we still have time to put a deal together. the president has a detailed proposal on the table....
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because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the richest americans. >> republicans say tax hikes on the wealthy mean tax hikes for small businesses, something they insist they cannot accept. here is long-time gop senator orin hatch. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are indicating a disastrous thelma and louise idea, that will put us in jeopardy, for small business and other parts of the economy. >> they agreed that tax cuts should be renewed for everybody making less than $250,000 a year. but democrats want the tax cuts for the very wealthy to expire. >>> and reigniting the trayvon martin debate, and whether the famous "stand your ground law" should be out lawed. and may havs where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.9% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. [ male announcer ] polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medica
because they refuse to let tax rates go up on the richest americans. >> republicans say tax hikes on the wealthy mean tax hikes for small businesses, something they insist they cannot accept. here is long-time gop senator orin hatch. >> unfortunately, some on the other side of the aisle are indicating a disastrous thelma and louise idea, that will put us in jeopardy, for small business and other parts of the economy. >> they agreed that tax cuts should be renewed for everybody...
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what do these tax increases mean for families? there's been some confusion about which parts will be taxed at a higher level and certainly not all of it, right? can you clear that up? >> for example, suppose you made $69,000 a year. well, $59,000 would actually be taxed at 15%. so normal. but it's that extra 10,000 that would be taxed at 28%. so part of your income would be taxed at a higher rate. but let's not forget, even though it may just be part of your income, that's income that you don't have then to spend on other things. and so when we're talking about an any that's in a pretty fragile state as this one is right now, if people don't have as much money to spend, that's going to be hurtful. that's going to be hurtful to retail sales, to restaurants, to movie theaters, to everything that keeps this economy going. >> one thing that has also been discussed is taking away the mortgage interest deduction. certainly that's a big bonus of homeownership for a whole lot of folks. do you think it's a risky move considering how fragil
what do these tax increases mean for families? there's been some confusion about which parts will be taxed at a higher level and certainly not all of it, right? can you clear that up? >> for example, suppose you made $69,000 a year. well, $59,000 would actually be taxed at 15%. so normal. but it's that extra 10,000 that would be taxed at 28%. so part of your income would be taxed at a higher rate. but let's not forget, even though it may just be part of your income, that's income that you...
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one is income tax, right? right now, the highest earners, those households that earn more than a quarter million dollars a year, pay a higher tax rate on the marginal amount, the amount above the $250,000 a year. so we're talking about taking that rate from 36% to 39.6% if we even go there. that hasn't even been negotiated yet but that's 3.6% on every dollar you earn above $250,000. there are not a lot of studies that suggest that that would have catastrophic effects on the economy. the other area that democrats want to raise taxes are on investment income, things like capital gains, dividend income. now, those will jump significantly. here's the thing. very few of these benefits affect middle class workers. it does affect the higher income earners and the question you have to ask is will it affect their spending patterns and the thinking amongst democrats and among many liberal economists is that you don't spend the marginal money that you earn in the same way you spend the core money that you earn, so the im
one is income tax, right? right now, the highest earners, those households that earn more than a quarter million dollars a year, pay a higher tax rate on the marginal amount, the amount above the $250,000 a year. so we're talking about taking that rate from 36% to 39.6% if we even go there. that hasn't even been negotiated yet but that's 3.6% on every dollar you earn above $250,000. there are not a lot of studies that suggest that that would have catastrophic effects on the economy. the other...
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he wants higher tax rates on wealthy americans. the republicans try to put some pressure on the democrats by laying out $600 billion in health savings, medicare and the like, adjust that cost of living increase for social security and other federal programs. the president's proposal puts pressure on republicans on rates. the republican proposal puts pressure on the president on entitlements and that cost of living adjustment. the question now is, do they negotiate or just posture? >> that's a good question. are you at all surprised that they're both negotiating in public with specific details of their respective plans instead of just doing this quietly behind the scenes, let their representatives go about a serious negotiation? >> there are some staff members on capitol hill who are circulating what they think will be ultimately where they have to -- as we get closer to christmas, sit down and cut out a deal. ip not surprised the republicans came forward with a public counterproposal because they thought the president was winning i
he wants higher tax rates on wealthy americans. the republicans try to put some pressure on the democrats by laying out $600 billion in health savings, medicare and the like, adjust that cost of living increase for social security and other federal programs. the president's proposal puts pressure on republicans on rates. the republican proposal puts pressure on the president on entitlements and that cost of living adjustment. the question now is, do they negotiate or just posture? >>...
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the revenue proposals are $1.6 trillion in revenue and tax increases. it's a massive tax increase. but also not significant and meaningful in entitlement reforms. >> so, anna, i hear comments like those and remarks by john boehner and the president of the united states and i wonder after the election, did we learn anything? because i -- my reading on the election was that the people, the voters wanted compromise. and for the people in washington to talk to each other not at each other. that still appears to be what they're doing, no? >> i think right after the election that was the message that even president obama and john boehner and the entire leadership, we saw that incredible image of the minority and majority leaders on both houses come out saying things that sounded like they were going to cooperate. but, you know, only in washington can that mean nothing quickly. but i do think, look, let's put this in perspective. we have a game of chicken going on here with a lot of posturing. there's 30 days to get this done, which for washington time it's like dog years. it's an eternit
the revenue proposals are $1.6 trillion in revenue and tax increases. it's a massive tax increase. but also not significant and meaningful in entitlement reforms. >> so, anna, i hear comments like those and remarks by john boehner and the president of the united states and i wonder after the election, did we learn anything? because i -- my reading on the election was that the people, the voters wanted compromise. and for the people in washington to talk to each other not at each other....
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no tax increases at all. continue the tax break but the wealthiest 2% will have to help us deal with the deficit. >> as always, senator, you make your case very passionately. i want to play you a bit of sound from the white house senior adviser david plouffe in talking about how to resolve the fiscal cliff crisis. listen to this. >> we also need to engage in entitlement reform. medicare, medicaid carefully. these are cheap drivers of our deficit. we made progress with obama care. there's more we need to do. >> we need to engage and the white house is acknowledging this. do you not go along with the president? >> yes, sometimes i disagree with the president. >> yes, that is true. >> but if we are talking about making medicare more efficient, lowering the cost of prescription drugs to medicare, that's a reform along with their other reforms. >> how about this reform, raising the eligibility for medicare from 65 to 67 over several years? >> no. >> why not? >> why not? because there are working people out there w
no tax increases at all. continue the tax break but the wealthiest 2% will have to help us deal with the deficit. >> as always, senator, you make your case very passionately. i want to play you a bit of sound from the white house senior adviser david plouffe in talking about how to resolve the fiscal cliff crisis. listen to this. >> we also need to engage in entitlement reform. medicare, medicaid carefully. these are cheap drivers of our deficit. we made progress with obama care....
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increasing marginal tax rates. limit the deduction for people above a certain level. let them be treated just like me. i'm subject to amt. let them only get deductions really for charitable contributions and for interest on a mortgage. you know, on medicare, start making more means testing for medicare premiums. right now, 95% of people get a 75% subsidy for their premium, irrespective of income and wealth. start having more means tested premiums for people above a certain level. there's a way to bridge this to a grand bargain. they need to get to work. >> david gergen, david walker, just gave you at least a short term path. but, but to get that short term path at least in the short term, sounds like the president would have to give up that trophy, the higher rates in the short term. you've advised four presidents, democrats and republicans. do you think this president is ready to do that? >> i'm not so sure, john. i have to tell you that over the last two years, i think it was the republicans who showed an arrogan
increasing marginal tax rates. limit the deduction for people above a certain level. let them be treated just like me. i'm subject to amt. let them only get deductions really for charitable contributions and for interest on a mortgage. you know, on medicare, start making more means testing for medicare premiums. right now, 95% of people get a 75% subsidy for their premium, irrespective of income and wealth. start having more means tested premiums for people above a certain level. there's a way...
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cuts, bush tax cuts, forethose up to $250,000, probably immediate to extend the payroll tax cut. these are major forms of stimulus that middle income households and receive the dollars don't save it. they spend it. i think it also provides a little wind to the sail of the administration that we need to extend the unemployment insurance benefits that have -- we have been providing to families. which are another important stimulus for families here in the u.s. >> you answer made question about the work force because about a half million people left the work for according to bls and talked about why you believe that factored into it. what do you think is missing from the report, though? >> what's missing, i think of -- you know, we focus so much on the employment front and if you look at wage, i believe wages continue to stagnate. over the month. and also even over the year when you factor in inflation. so, you know, not -- families are -- you know, continuing in this really tepid, very slow, weak recovery. they are getting hit on all fronts. you know. slow job creation. people leav
cuts, bush tax cuts, forethose up to $250,000, probably immediate to extend the payroll tax cut. these are major forms of stimulus that middle income households and receive the dollars don't save it. they spend it. i think it also provides a little wind to the sail of the administration that we need to extend the unemployment insurance benefits that have -- we have been providing to families. which are another important stimulus for families here in the u.s. >> you answer made question...
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loopholes and reform the tax code, on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> the fact is if there's another way to get revenue from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then would wouldn't he consider it? >> reporter: that's are publicly unchanged position was a deadline that's set. whether political theater or political reality, there's more mention going over the fiscal cliff could go beyond hypothetical. >> there's clearly a chance. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they've made a political calculation. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then, you know, that's the choice they're going to have to make. >> emily joins us live from washington. emily, the zinger sound bites, they're all piling up. what is the actual strategy behind all this political theater? what are you hearing from the republicans and from the democrats? >> reporter: you know, less than a month out now from going over the fiscal cliff. even talk about p
loopholes and reform the tax code, on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> the fact is if there's another way to get revenue from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then would wouldn't he consider it? >> reporter: that's are publicly unchanged position was a deadline that's set. whether political theater or political reality, there's more mention going over the fiscal cliff could go beyond hypothetical. >> there's clearly a chance. >>...
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but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner plan, and also, of course, includes increasing those income tax rates for the wealthy. $400 billion to medicare and other entitlements, that's $ 00 billion less than in the speaker's counteroffer and this would force congress to give up its debt limit vote which is a nonstarter for house republicans. the white house saying that boehner counteroffer is nothing new, that it lacks specifics. but i will tell you, zoraida, that one house democratic aid telling cnn that it passed the laugh test. so certainly i guess it could have been worse in some estimations by democrats. >> i suspect some people were laughing. brianna keilar live at the white house for us, thank you. in the next
but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner plan, and also, of course, includes increasing those income tax rates for the wealthy. $400 billion to medicare and other...
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this is the tax revenue, this would be the new taxes. this would be done by closing loopholes, limiting deductions, not, obviously, by increasing income tax rates for the wealthy. $600 billion in health savings. that's the entitlement reform. that's medicare cuts. cuts to other entitlements. compare this to the white house, $1.6 trillion in new taxes, so that's two times the amount in speaker boehner's counteroffer. and $400 billion in cuts to medicare and entitlements. so that's $200 billion less than speaker boehner's. also something in here that the white house has proposed as a nonstarter for house republicans was having congress give up their debt limit vote. the white house is call being speaker boehner's counteroffer not serious. they're saying there needs to be specifics. but i will tell you that democratic leadership made in a moment of i guess you could say truth, that it does pass the last test. obviously democrats don't like it but it certainly could have more things in it that they don't like. so maybe it's not, as far as a
this is the tax revenue, this would be the new taxes. this would be done by closing loopholes, limiting deductions, not, obviously, by increasing income tax rates for the wealthy. $600 billion in health savings. that's the entitlement reform. that's medicare cuts. cuts to other entitlements. compare this to the white house, $1.6 trillion in new taxes, so that's two times the amount in speaker boehner's counteroffer. and $400 billion in cuts to medicare and entitlements. so that's $200 billion...
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we are talking about reforming the tax code, raisinging tax rates. that's the only thing i say that i absolutely will not do. 258 members of congress, republicans all, have taken the pledge. only six are waffling. we're standing strong on that point. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. in 2002 -- and i was running in a tough primary and those folks back in marietta, georgia, said, phil, are you going to take the grover norquist, americans for tax reform pledge. i said, yes, i will take it. many would have voted for my opponent. that plenl, i honor that. it's a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. >> all right. you say your constituents don't want you to raise taxes on the rich. let me show you what an abc/washington post poll shows. 60% would support raising taxes on incomes over $250,000 per year. you wouldn't do that? >> i understand that their perc
we are talking about reforming the tax code, raisinging tax rates. that's the only thing i say that i absolutely will not do. 258 members of congress, republicans all, have taken the pledge. only six are waffling. we're standing strong on that point. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely....
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pay our taxes to live here. essentially they can be u.s. citizens, go back to the country, never pay one dollar towards taxes, and then come back, reap the benefits, and we as u.s. citizens are paying for that. so, yes, some change has to be made. i don't know exactly if it's a change in the 14th amendment or some type of legislation. >> hmm. all right. rossana mitchell is with not in chino hills. thank you for talking with us. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> still ahead this morning, you know you look at these dolphins, they're graceful, they're beautiful. but take a look at some pictures where a dolphin kind of turns on a small child. we'll show you that video straight ahead and then we'll see what your must-get gifts are this year. upload a photo of yourself or your loved one. you can submit your story graphic cnn.com/startingpoint. ♪ [ gordon ] for some this line is a convenience. how you doing today? i'm good thanks. how are you? i'm good. [ gordon ] but for others, it's all they can afford. every
pay our taxes to live here. essentially they can be u.s. citizens, go back to the country, never pay one dollar towards taxes, and then come back, reap the benefits, and we as u.s. citizens are paying for that. so, yes, some change has to be made. i don't know exactly if it's a change in the 14th amendment or some type of legislation. >> hmm. all right. rossana mitchell is with not in chino hills. thank you for talking with us. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> still...
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reform, spending cuts and new taxes? >> brianna keilar, thank you very much. >>> the grieving kansas city chiefs come together and pull out a win over the carolina panther, a day after police say their teammate, jovan belcher, shot and killed his 22-year-old girlfriend, kasandra perkins. a few minutes afterwards he turned the gun on himself outside the chiefs practice facility in front of his coaches and general manager. he and perkins leave behind a 3-month-old daughter. >>> major changes are come together manual psychiatrists use. over the weekend the american psychiatrist association voted to amend the diagnostic and statistical manual. for example, a child wit with asberger's syndrome. >> nasa officials will discover the curiosity's full away of analytical instruments during a news conference today in san francisco. the mars rover is searching for organic compounds, which are the building blocks of life. last week it was suggested that curiosity may have found simple organic molecules. >>> president obama recognized
reform, spending cuts and new taxes? >> brianna keilar, thank you very much. >>> the grieving kansas city chiefs come together and pull out a win over the carolina panther, a day after police say their teammate, jovan belcher, shot and killed his 22-year-old girlfriend, kasandra perkins. a few minutes afterwards he turned the gun on himself outside the chiefs practice facility in front of his coaches and general manager. he and perkins leave behind a 3-month-old daughter....
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cut shouldn't have their taxes raised. my suggestion was let's take the one area we agree and take it off the table. >> but zoraida, as you saw there from the president earlier in that bloomberg interview, he is digging in, saying there can't be a deal unless upper income americans pay more. middle-class americans should get the bush era tax cut extension. is he not backing down from that at all. the president saying in that interview that he's not being stubborn. he's not being partisan but rather that it's, quote, a matter of math. >> we've been talking now for a while that americans blame republicans if a deal doesn't go through. new polling shows americans are pessimistic a deal will be reached at all. break down those numbers for us. >> the tune that we're seeing now from not only the white house but also members up on capitol hill where they once were very optimistic that a deal would get done, there's more pessimistic about a deal getting done. so this is reflected in that poll when people were asked whether or not
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that offer includes an $800 billion in tax revenue but does not include any tax increase on the wealthiest americans. >>> also, our own dana bash, our congressional correspondent asked john boehner why republicans met today to talk about the fiscal cliff and then are going to go home after the meeting and await for the president's response. here's what mr. boehner said. >> reporter: today's wednesday and the house is going to leave today with two days left in the week. i understand that you are saying that there's no legislation that's been on the floor. but when it comes to just pure optics of the house leaving with the fiscal cliff right in front of us -- >> i'll be here and i'll be available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious about solving this problem. >> mr. speaker, does the conference perhaps realize that you don't seem to be negotiating in all of this? >> our members believe strongly that raising tax rates will hurt the economy. closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue than raising rates. because raising
that offer includes an $800 billion in tax revenue but does not include any tax increase on the wealthiest americans. >>> also, our own dana bash, our congressional correspondent asked john boehner why republicans met today to talk about the fiscal cliff and then are going to go home after the meeting and await for the president's response. here's what mr. boehner said. >> reporter: today's wednesday and the house is going to leave today with two days left in the week. i...
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also bush era tax cuts set to x expire, so the majority of americans will pay more taxes. also at stake, the payroll tax holiday and unemployment benefits expect to get cut. dana, in your most recent column, you say it doesn't seem like anyone is doing anything but photo ops and news conferences. one politician was quoted as saying, effectively, we have a month. that's loads of time. is this a sophisticated game of chicken? >> it's a rather unsophisticated game of chicken, kind of elementary. what they're doing, both sides really, is doing a lot of posturing and waiting until they get close to the deadline if not go over the deadline because they feel if they go over the deadline, they're in a position to tell their hard core supporters, look, we have really got to make this deal now or that's the end. the economy goes back into recession. it's almost as if they can't strike a deal before you get to the very end, which is understandable. the problem is when you play this game, you can make a terrible mistake, and you know, they're gambling with the whole country here right
also bush era tax cuts set to x expire, so the majority of americans will pay more taxes. also at stake, the payroll tax holiday and unemployment benefits expect to get cut. dana, in your most recent column, you say it doesn't seem like anyone is doing anything but photo ops and news conferences. one politician was quoted as saying, effectively, we have a month. that's loads of time. is this a sophisticated game of chicken? >> it's a rather unsophisticated game of chicken, kind of...
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at today's dividend tax rate of just 15%. that will be a big savings for him if the dividend tax does double as it may do next year. the doom and gloom of the fiscal cliff hides an important point about our economy. we play our cards right, america could be headed for another economic renaissance. short-term indicators are looking good. jobs are being created, consumer debt is shrinking. the housing market is making a comeback. forget silver linings, housing has been the golden lining around the economic cloud hanging over the country. mortgage rates are expected to stay low through 2014. home affordability is as good as it it's been in generations. that's going to attract buyers who spent the last few years waiting for prices to bottom out. that's going to help millions of homeowners who currently owe more on their homes than the home is worth. the home prices rising, confidence will return. and longer term prospects also have some real hope in america. we're in the midst of a domestic energy boom that will fuel growth for y
at today's dividend tax rate of just 15%. that will be a big savings for him if the dividend tax does double as it may do next year. the doom and gloom of the fiscal cliff hides an important point about our economy. we play our cards right, america could be headed for another economic renaissance. short-term indicators are looking good. jobs are being created, consumer debt is shrinking. the housing market is making a comeback. forget silver linings, housing has been the golden lining around...
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if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's a choice we're going to have to make. >> house speaker john boehner suggested democrats are playing politics. >> this isn't an issue about democrats or republicans. my goodness, this is our country. >>> coming up at 2:30, shock and horror after a deadly bow and arrow attack at a wyoming college. we'll tell what you led up to this tragedy. the next list with sanjay gupta starts right now. >>> they're innovators, game changers, people pushing themselves, moving us all forward. they're the next scientists, musicians, poets, the next makers, dreamers, teachers, and geniuses. they are "the next list." >> max little has a bold idea. what if doctors could detect parkinson's disease simply by the sound of your voice? max little is close to proving just that. he says one simple voice test can determine if someone has parkinson's. all you need is a telephone. >> we've got an ultra low cost way of detecting the disease. >> he calls it the parkinson's v
if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's a choice we're going to have to make. >> house speaker john boehner suggested democrats are playing politics. >> this isn't an issue about democrats or republicans. my goodness, this is our country. >>> coming up at 2:30, shock and horror after a deadly bow and arrow attack at a wyoming college. we'll tell what you led up to...
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you have to sort of address the tax rate. we cannot have a tax rate locked in where they starve the government so that the middle class has to sort of pay more of the share for the burden of government, and you know what, we end up cutting away those programs, those things that help grow opportunity for the middle class. the number one problem with our country right now is sort of the shrinking and burden on the middle class. if we want to sort of expand the middle class and grow the middle class, the last thing we can do is sort of put more of that burden on them as opposed to asking the wealthy people to pay their fair share, like what they paid in the clinton administration. >> okay, cornel, let me say this. >> mary, hold on. you are saying the president has not offered any specifics. he is offering some specific cuts in entitlement spending, medicare spending, saving about $400 billion. the republicans have their own ideas. why not let the republicans come out with their priorities, tell us what their ideas are, then you
you have to sort of address the tax rate. we cannot have a tax rate locked in where they starve the government so that the middle class has to sort of pay more of the share for the burden of government, and you know what, we end up cutting away those programs, those things that help grow opportunity for the middle class. the number one problem with our country right now is sort of the shrinking and burden on the middle class. if we want to sort of expand the middle class and grow the middle...